Sally: Yes, that’s true, Jim. People have to ask Jesus for forgiveness. Otherwise, their sins will haunt them forever.

Reporter: So Jesus really didn’t take away the sin of the world?

Sally: He did and He didn’t.

Reporter: Can you explain that?

Sally: Sure. He takes sin away for people who ask Him. He doesn’t for people who don’t.

Reporter: But this verse says He does it for the world. It says, "Behold the Lamb of God, Who takes away the sin of the world."

Sally: I know that’s what it says, but it doesn’t mean that.

Reporter: How come?

Sally: This is a Christian mystery.

Reporter: What constitutes a Christian mystery?

Sally: Anything we don’t understand and shouldn’t think about.

Reporter: I’ve heard that Jesus came to undo the devil’s work. All evil. This interests me.

Sally: Yes! I love that truth. You’re thinking of First John chapter 3, verse 8.

Sally: Yes.

Reporter: But if the devil does this, how is it that Jesus has undone his work?

Sally: (plugging her ears) A-maaaa-zing graaaaaccccce...

Reporter: Sally! This is serious. I need to ask you something concerning my niece.

Sally: I’ve never been to Nice.

Reporter: My niece!

Sally: Oh. All right.

Sally: How awful. I’m sorry. How old was she?

Reporter: Fifteen.

Sally: I’m sorry to hear that.

Reporter: Why?

Sally: If she had been eleven or twelve, she might have had a chance. But she was old enough to know better.

Reporter: To know what better?

Sally: Maybe we better not talk about this.

Reporter: You must tell me.

Sally: Your niece had a chance to accept Jesus, but she didn’t take advantage of it.

Reporter: (stunned) Salvation is of chance?

Sally: Yes. I had a chance and took it. I won. Judy had a chance, too, but she lost.

Reporter: But I thought Jesus came to save sinners. And according to what others have told me, not accepting Jesus is certainly a sin.

Sally: It certainly is a sin. It’s the worst kind of sin, and your niece was a sinner, for sure. But you misunderstand; Jesus only saves those who accept Him.

Reporter: But doesn’t one have to quit sinning to accept Him? I mean, if unbelief is a sin, wouldn’t belief be the cessation of sin?

Sally: (reaching for her ears again) A-maaaaa-zing graaaaaaaaccccce...

Reporter: Sally! Basically, you’re telling me that Jesus only saves "sinners" who quit sinning.

Sally: (relaxing her fingers for a moment)...who quit sinning long enough to accept Him.

Reporter: But they have to quit sinning for at least that brief moment.

Sally: Okay, for at least that brief moment! But He still saves sinners, and nothing you say will make me change my mind.

Reporter: Where is Judy right now?

Sally: You’ve put me in an awkward position. I don’t really like sharing this part of The Good News, but I’m an evangelist-in-training, so okay. From the moment your niece died, she has been tortured in hellfire. She has already suffered these few weeks more than I will suffer in a lifetime; I don’t know about you yet. And her agonies have only begun.

Reporter: But I thought God loved Judy!

Sally: He does, but love is tough. Wouldn’t you have a loved one tortured for eternity if they didn’t appreciate you?

Reporter: No! Not for five minutes!

Sally: Well, you’re not God. God’s love is not our love. This is why Christians are to fear God and keep His commandments.

Reporter: Because of what He will do to them if they don’t?

Sally: Fear and threats are all part of The Good News.

Reporter: And these make you praise the Lord?

Sally: A hundred times a day! You should praise the Lord.

Reporter: How can I praise the Lord, if what you told me is true?

Sally: You have to train your mind to stop thinking about Judy.

Reporter: I can’t!

Sally: That’s because you’re not a Christian yet. If you go to heaven, you’ll be able to stop thinking about everybody in hell. Won’t that be great? I’m practicing for it now. You really should accept Jesus. He’s a wonderful Savior!

Reporter: Wonderful?! It doesn’t sound like He does too damn good a job.

Sally: You said a curse word!

Reporter: !#$& !%& !$& How do you like those curse words? I haven’t said those in years!

Sally: (plugging her ears) They’re awful! Stop! Amazing grace!

Reporter: Your doctrine is driving me to it! This so-called good news is not bringing me peace. It’s making me upset and mad at God.

Sally: What?

Reporter: Take your fingers out of your ears! I said, your gospel is not making me feel very good. It’s not drawing me to God.

Sally: That’s because you’re not a Christian yet. You need to accept Jesus, and you better hurry up before you die.

Reporter: Does Jesus accept me? Is Jesus my Savior?

Sally: That depends.

Reporter: Depends on what?

Sally: It depends on whether or not you believe He’s your Savior.

Reporter: He’s not my Savior until I believe He’s my Savior?

Sally: That’s right.

Reporter: Why would I want to believe something that isn’t true?

Sally: Huh?

Reporter: You just said that, until I believe, Jesus isn’t my Savior. Don’t start singing now, but why would I believe something that isn’t true?

Sally: But it is true.

Reporter: What’s true?

Sally: Jesus is your Savior.

Reporter: Boy, that was quick; He changed His mind already. Now let me decide if I want to believe that or not.

Sally: No. You don’t get it. If you don’t believe, He’s not your Savior.

Reporter: Sally, please. I want to believe what’s true. If it’s true that Jesus is my Savior, I would want to believe that. If He’s not my Savior, I’m certainly not going to be so stupid as to believe something that isn’t true. So quit hedging on this. I need to know. Is Jesus my Savior or isn’t He?

Sally: I told you! He’s not your Savior until you believe He’s your Savior.

Reporter: Damn! Now He’s not my Savior again!

Sally: You said a curse word again!

Reporter: I couldn’t help it.

Sally: Look. Everything depends on what you do.

Reporter: Ahh! Now we’re getting to the heart of it. I control whether I’m saved or not.

Sally: I didn’t exactly say that.

Reporter: But that’s the logical conclusion.

Sally: Logic is of the devil! I rebuke you, Satan!

Reporter: But you just said that everything depends on what I do.

Sally: It does.

Reporter: But I thought salvation was a free gift.

Sally: It is! Salvation is a free gift. It’s grace! And grace is a free gift. Free, free, free! You can do nothing to save yourself. Nothing, nothing, nothing!

Reporter: But you just told me my salvation depends on what I do!

Sally: It does.

Reporter: Sally, I think I just found myself a new religion.

Sally: Praise the Lord!

Reporter: No, praise Budweiser. My new religion is beer.